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I'm getting sick, really really sick, of everything working perfectly in Firefox and just exploding into random crap in IE.



-The Gneech, going to have a little lie down now

PS: Just to make it clear, I'm talking about my own code here. I write standards-compliant, clean code. In Firefox, it works perfectly. IE just throws up all over it, because IE is not W3C compliant.


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Aug. 28th, 2007 03:31 pm (UTC)
It is standards compliant! It's perfectly compliant to their standards.
Aug. 28th, 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
My favorite example of Microsoft breaking standards is RTF, a standard Microsoft developed, yet newer versions of Office can't produce a fully compliant document.
Aug. 28th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
Gah, RTF
Oh, I know that pain. I had to look thought the RTF spec at one point, and the number of places where it was 'And you must follow this rule when creating the document, but you have to be willing to accept when importing because Office will export in it's own special way.'

Thankfully in the end I didn't have to build an RTF reader, but it was, annoying.

-- Brett
Aug. 29th, 2007 02:51 am (UTC)
Re: Gah, RTF
If you think that's bad, you should see Microsoft's latest standard- Office Open XML. It's a 6000-page dump of the Office Binary formats with all sorts of weird behavior, which only MS has the ability to implement completely, and murky licensing terms.
Aug. 29th, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
Hell, Microsoft can't even support their own standards correctly half the time. Ever try to import a Microsoft Word document into Microsoft Publisher? Your text formatting reverts back to "standard text" (any boldface, italics, or underlining goes away, and it may or may not preserve your font and size selections), and any tables you might have had within the document just vanish completely...

(At least, they did under Office '97 and Office 2000... I don't know if the new versions are any better, but knowing Microsoft, I wouldn't bet on it. :) )
Aug. 28th, 2007 03:38 pm (UTC)
Oh well, it keeps me off the streets.
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Aug. 28th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC)
Actually, it's exactly a question of MS not having standards. Or more accurately, behaving as if standards are just things that happen to other people.

See also IE vs. the Standards et al. Microsoft -- sometimes by accident and sometimes deliberately -- ignores, circumvents, or badly interprets most of the W3C guidelines, to the point where, in my CSS training, the methodology was "Code it for Firefox, because that's mostly compliant, then add hacks to make IE behave."

-The Gneech
Aug. 29th, 2007 02:45 am (UTC)
But IE really is broken, by design and for the exact reasons you describe. Nonstandard behavior and being bundled with the OS means that developers have to keep the Microsoft way in mind, and often just design a site for IE only.

How many of that majority have IE as their browser of choice because they don't know alternatives exist?
Aug. 28th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC)
Well, it's good to know that I'm not the only person this happens to: I'll be doing something in FF, no matter what it is, and then all of the sudden a batch if IE windows will pop up, invariably trying to sell me something.

And do you know what they try to sell me the most? A software package that will stop pop-ups...
Aug. 28th, 2007 04:47 pm (UTC)
Pfui to that. You can block popups directly in the Firefox configuration.

Aug. 28th, 2007 08:46 pm (UTC)
That's the funky part: I may be pounding away at something in Firefox, but the thrice damned pop-ups come up in IE!
Aug. 28th, 2007 11:11 pm (UTC)
Sounds like you've got some ad/spyware installed on your machine. ;)
You might want to get that looked at.
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Aug. 28th, 2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
True. But Firefox is "closer enough" and the developer plugins are so powerful that it tends to end up being the more useful tool.

-The Gneech
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Aug. 28th, 2007 11:12 pm (UTC)
Tis free now!
Aug. 28th, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC)
You can get patches which make firefox 100% ACID2 compliant.

But they won't be incorporated into the trunk build for a while.
Aug. 28th, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
I Can Haz Standards-Compliant? ;)

Yeah, its sad that IE has to do stuff 'its own way' some days, and not follow the W3C. But I wouldn't expect them to change to be compliant anytime soon.

Aug. 29th, 2007 02:48 am (UTC)
I'm with you on that. IE's quirks and workarounds are maddening when you get a good idea for some nice code, write it up, and then find out that IE doesn't support part of it.
Aug. 29th, 2007 08:19 pm (UTC)
I hear this over and over. MS is trying to be the 900 pound gorilla of the computer world (like it already isn't) and forcing everyone to write for them alone. I'm no developer but having done IT support of both hardware and software in my former position I know that MS has slid very deeply into the "do it our way or hit the road" mentality. It is the biggest complaint I also hear about their new OS. I've heard more support people call it the 21st century version of Windows ME then talk about patches and fixes. I've already passed up a couple of great buys on new equipment because it comes with Vista and the people selling it stated it could not be "downgraded" to XP. Maybe it's time to have the looked at for Monopoly yet again. Ok, that's a different issue, it just slipped out.
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